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Post  spryng on Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:00 pm

Well I have actually been on the hcg diet and you are so right, it's not as fun as this one, LOL it's actually pretty low carb and my body does NOT like low carb for more than a couple days, then it back tracks and I stall out or even start gaining. I'm so strange I know, LOL But as far as portions it does feel about what we eat now so yeah I personally think they lose weight because it's low carb and calorie and they can't help but lose weight. The hcg is suppose to ward off hunger etc, not true, that first 3-4 days is just as rough as this one was so if the hcg makes it all better, it doesn't. So I personally think it gives a person the placebo effect. But that is just my 2 cents from trying it. Your homemade tacos sound so good right now!!! Smile
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Post  jgraston on Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:06 pm

spryng wrote:Well I have actually been on the hcg diet and you are so right, it's not as fun as this one, LOL it's actually pretty low carb and my body does NOT like low carb for more than a couple days, then it back tracks and I stall out or even start gaining. I'm so strange I know, LOL But as far as portions it does feel about what we eat now so yeah I personally think they lose weight because it's low carb and calorie and they can't help but lose weight. The hcg is suppose to ward off hunger etc, not true, that first 3-4 days is just as rough as this one was so if the hcg makes it all better, it doesn't. So I personally think it gives a person the placebo effect. But that is just my 2 cents from trying it. Your homemade tacos sound so good right now!!! Smile

I believe that the hCG hormones DO help with hunger and well-being, but usually only when they are injected. Based on what I've read of your journal, I'd be interested to see some CMP results from you. Have you had a comprehensive (or even basic) metabolic profile done ever? I am NOT a doctor, but I can easily tell you from CMP results why your body does what it does diet wise. The body is such a fun thing.

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Post  spryng on Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:08 pm

Nope never looked into CMP, do I have to go to a specialist or something for that?? my husband thinks its thyroid but I don't think so, I have no other indicators. I just think it's my body paying me back for 13 years of yo yo dieting, LOL reaping what I've sown I guess. But tell me more about this CMP test.
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Post  ewhetstone on Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:17 pm

I was so excited to read this! I love your scientific info Smile

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Post  jgraston on Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:19 pm

I'm feeling frisky today, so I want to share with you guys a 2 for 1 special on science.

Now, I've noticed on this forum that if and when people fall off the wagon or cheat, they beat themselves up. Trust me on what I am about to say, EVERYONE ends up cheating on their diet at some point. Otherwise, it wouldn't be a diet.

But lets be real here, what happens when you eat a really bad meal? What happens when you gorge on the 5 bite diet? The easy answer is, you might gain a tiny bit of fat, but mostly you are going to be a bit bloated. However, lets do my favorite thing....

SCIENCE TALK!!!!!

Increased blood insulin levels. This decreases fat mobilization and oxidation.
- This means your body temporarily STOPS burning fat. Part of the great thing about the 5BD is that we force our bodies to burn fat. So this DOES temporarily halt weight loss, but only for a few hours.

Increased storage of fat and carbohydrate.
- There will be some measurable storage of fat on any BIG meal (over 750 calories is the given meaning for 'BIG' meal)

Increased sympathetic autonomic nervous system activity (norepinephrine release, epinephrine release, and related autonomic nervous activity).
- This is why before you feel depressed and overstuffed, you feel pretty amazing.

Increased release of thyroid hormone (T3 and T4).
- Wait, what, you say? Your thyroid gets faster from a binge meal? Yes. Now, how do you take advantage of that? Make your next meal a meal that's low in fat and contains a high percentage of low-glycemic index (GI) carbohydrates, resistant starch (RS), and dietary fiber (DF), your responses to your next meal are improved. Specifically, you'll remain satiated longer between meals and during your next meal, you'll have decreased glucose and insulin responses as well as reduced serum triglyceride (TG) levels.

Increased thermic effect of feeding.
- This the increment in energy expenditure above resting metabolic rate due to the cost of processing food for storage and use. Increased percentage of energy comes from carbohydrate oxidation while a decreased percentage of energy comes from fat oxidation. This is what we were talking about earlier. Your body will stop burning fat and start burning the carbs you ingested.

Increased spontaneous activity or NEAT (non-exercise activity thermogenesis). This represents the activities of daily living, changes of posture, and fidgeting.
- I.E. You are shown to do more non-exercise activity after a 'cheat' meal.

Now, all this being said. Unless you are trying to bulk up, I never advocate doing a cheat meal on purpose. However, if you do accidentally slip, here is what you can do to help!

- Exercise: Since our goal is to not gain fat from the meal. Do an hour of LOW intensity (110-130 hear rate) cardio, this forces the body to burn the majority of calories from our fat supply. It will also help in ensuring the meal does not all get stored as fat.

- Get back on plan: Don't let one meal become two. There is no reason to have a 'cheat day'.

- Hydrate: One word, simple.

References
Matsumoto T, et al. Comparison of thermogenic sympathetic response to food intake between obese and non-obese young women. Obes Res 2001 Feb;9(2):78-85
Poehlman ET, et al. Genotype dependency of the thermic effect of a meal and associated hormonal changes following short-term overfeeding. Metabolism 1986 Jan;35(1):30-6.
Bowden VL and McMurray RG. Effects of training status on the metabolic responses to high carbohydrate and high fat meals. Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab 2000 Mar;10(1):16-27.
Brodeur, C et al. The metabolic consequences of low and moderate intensity exercise with or without feeding in lean and borderline obese males. Int J Obes 1991 Feb;15(2):95-104.
Goben KW, et al. Exercise intensity and the thermic effect of food. Int J Sport Nutr 1992 Mar;2(1):87-95.
Nichols J, et al. Thermic effect of food at rest and following swim exercise in trained college men and women. Ann Nutr Metab 1988;32(4):215-9.
Liljeberg H and Bjorck I. Effects of a low-glycaemic index spaghetti meal on glucose tolerance and lipaemia at a subsequent meal in healthy subjects. Eur J Clin Nutr 2000 Jan;54(1):24-8.

Thanks all for reading!
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Post  shnookie on Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:20 pm

Lol Josh humor and science, I may not have understood some of the words but I get what ur talking about and I love that you made it so funny
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Post  jgraston on Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:22 pm

spryng wrote:Nope never looked into CMP, do I have to go to a specialist or something for that?? my husband thinks its thyroid but I don't think so, I have no other indicators. I just think it's my body paying me back for 13 years of yo yo dieting, LOL reaping what I've sown I guess. But tell me more about this CMP test.

You can get the CMP from any Doctor. I ask for one yearly when I get my physical.

The Comprehensive Metabolic Panel (CMP) is a frequently ordered panel of tests that gives your doctor important information about the current status of your kidneys, liver, and electrolyte and acid/base balance as well as of your blood sugar and blood proteins. Abnormal results, and especially combinations of abnormal results, can indicate a problem that needs to be addressed. The CMP is typically a group of 14 specific tests that have been approved, named, and assigned a CPT code (a Current Procedural Terminology number) as a panel by Medicare, although labs may adjust the number of tests up or down. Since the majority of insurance companies also use these names and CPT codes in their claim processing, this grouping of tests has become standardized throughout the United States.

HOWEVER, you would also want them to check your Thyrotropin (TSH). The TSH test is often the test of choice for evaluating thyroid function and/or symptoms of hyperthyroidism or hypothyroidism. It is frequently ordered along with or preceding a T4 test. Other thyroid tests that may be ordered include a T3 test and thyroid antibodies (if autoimmune-related thyroid disease is suspected).

Experts vary on WHEN you should ask for a TSH, but I say that if you believe your thyroid may be impaired, go ask for a CMP/TSH.
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Post  jgraston on Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:24 pm

ewhetstone wrote:I was so excited to read this! I love your scientific info :-)

shnookie wrote:Lol Josh humor and science, I may not have understood some of the words but I get what ur talking about and I love that you made it so funny

I try my best to write at a place where EVERYONE can understand. I'm glad you guys appreciate it!

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Post  spryng on Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:32 pm

Oh I know all about cpt's, LOL I work for Cigna Healthcare and medical terminology is right up my alley. I go back to the dr in oct so I'll see if she'll run those tests for me and that gives me time to see if my insurance even covers it.
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Post  spryng on Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:46 am

Everything ok Josh? You usually post daily and we missed you yesterday! Just checking in.
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Post  jgraston on Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:23 pm

Thanks for the concern! Actually, something was wrong. For the past couple days I've felt as if I was just not getting enough food. At Day 10-11, in my opinion, hunger cravings should stop. However, I was getting to the point of being light headed and dizzy. After doing some research into the possible causes, I came to one big conclusion...
I was not eating enough.

Now, I realize the entire purpose of the 5BD is portion control, however I'm running into an issue I just don't know how to solve. At my bodyfat and current weight, I have over 190 pounds of lean body mass. With that much muscle, I simply need more calories to maintain just my lean body mass while losing fat. I'm afraid that if I continue the 5BD I will lose WAY too much muscle mass.

I'm not at all saying I do not believe in the diet, quite the contrary. However, I am saying that for my body type, and my lifestyle, it is just not sustainable. I do not like getting winded walking through WalMart or getting dizzy when it is 3pm and I haven't eaten in 4 hours.

I will still be here to share science, because that is my passion. However, I will be kind of doing my own thing now. Call it.. independent research. If you guys want me to still post here in journal form I will, but I realize this entire forum is 5BD oriented.

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Post  spryng on Thu Sep 15, 2011 4:54 pm

I would love for you to continue to post here because I'd love to see what works for you and I agree about the dizzy spells etc. I had some yesterday too, everytime I got up the room would spin and I'd feel woozy. I don't think I can do fruit for lunch anymore, just not enough calories to get me through my day and by bedtime I was so hungry I could have eaten my pillow! Some days I think maybe just adding in a 5 bite breakfast would help and I'd still lose but I lose so slowly anyway I'm afraid to add bites etc on a regular basis. But please continue to post and let us know what you are trying, you never know, you may be on to the next big thing! LOL Wink plus we do enjoy your science talk here and your support over all Smile
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Post  ewhetstone on Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:21 pm

Wow Josh, that is exactly what I'm doing. Instead of counting my bites I'm going to have 2 small meals a day. I felt alot better at work because of it! Tomorrow I'm going to be in the 140's!! I wasn't sure about continuing to post either since it's 5BD But I will post in my journal.

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Post  Dmac on Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:23 pm

Mabe u should
try like the 7 or 10 bite diet for a wile. mabe your just loosing to fast
Ether way keep in touch
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Post  jgraston on Mon Sep 19, 2011 2:13 am

Just thought I would drop a quick note and let you guys know that I am doing VERY well since modifying my dietary plan. Since my girlfriend was doing a low carb plan, I decided to migrate that direction. I've had great success with that in the past, and have lost a total of 27.3 pounds thus far (I did not regain any moving from the 5BD to a low carb setup).

I still believe in the science behind the 5BD, and this week when I have more time, I still plan on sharing all the of research I've done with you all. I haven't abandoned you, I've just been VERY busy. I'll be posting progress pictures in 2 weeks as initially planned as well.

I want to still share and grow with you all, it just might be during business hours Monday-Friday!

Thanks!
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